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	<title>Comments on: Uphill</title>
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	<description>Don’t look at us, look at Him.</description>
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		<title>By: Dilip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dilip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking more about the comments #2 and #3 above (ie. from Don and "Raising 4 for Him"). May I suggest the following:

1. While it is certainly true that Jesus has done "the work" is it not also true that the Bible portrays the Christian life as a struggle. Paul's language is full of expressions of laboring and striving? To be sure, we are not to labor in our own self-sufficency but rather utterly dependent on God's grace. Colossians 1:29: "To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me." and Philippians 2:12b-13: "continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose." would be a couple of examples of this idea. Also, Jerry Bridges examines this in "Disciplines of Grace".  Tim Keller also touches on this in a sermon on the subject of work and rest. He refers to the "rest beneath the work."

2. While it is certainly true that we humans are self-centered and greedy, is it not also true that the idea of reward is ubiquitous throughout the Bible? My understanding is that it is not the idea of working for reward that is unbiblical. Indeed, it seems to me that to work dispassionately simply because it is the thing to do is rather unbiblical. Instead, the crux of the matter is what kind of reward we find attractive. The reward God promises is Himself, His Presence and Being.  We, in our self-glorifying sinfulness can only find that attractive and desirable if we are enabled to do so by His grace.  I believe that is the basis for John Piper's definition of a Christian: "One who treasures Christ."

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking more about the comments #2 and #3 above (ie. from Don and &#8220;Raising 4 for Him&#8221;). May I suggest the following:</p>
<p>1. While it is certainly true that Jesus has done &#8220;the work&#8221; is it not also true that the Bible portrays the Christian life as a struggle. Paul&#8217;s language is full of expressions of laboring and striving? To be sure, we are not to labor in our own self-sufficency but rather utterly dependent on God&#8217;s grace. Colossians 1:29: &#8220;To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me.&#8221; and Philippians 2:12b-13: &#8220;continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.&#8221; would be a couple of examples of this idea. Also, Jerry Bridges examines this in &#8220;Disciplines of Grace&#8221;.  Tim Keller also touches on this in a sermon on the subject of work and rest. He refers to the &#8220;rest beneath the work.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. While it is certainly true that we humans are self-centered and greedy, is it not also true that the idea of reward is ubiquitous throughout the Bible? My understanding is that it is not the idea of working for reward that is unbiblical. Indeed, it seems to me that to work dispassionately simply because it is the thing to do is rather unbiblical. Instead, the crux of the matter is what kind of reward we find attractive. The reward God promises is Himself, His Presence and Being.  We, in our self-glorifying sinfulness can only find that attractive and desirable if we are enabled to do so by His grace.  I believe that is the basis for John Piper&#8217;s definition of a Christian: &#8220;One who treasures Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you folks think?</p>
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		<title>By: Raising 4 for Him</title>
		<link>http://www.arrowup.org/fear-suffering-and-the-christian-walk/uphill/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Raising 4 for Him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.  Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."   ~Jesus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.  Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.&#8221;   ~Jesus</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.arrowup.org/fear-suffering-and-the-christian-walk/uphill/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is why we look at the walk with Jesus as uphill.  Jesus did the work.  What we do means nothing relative to receiving the prize unless we are doing these "godly" things to obtain bigger crowns than our fellow believers.  As I was contemplating this I became convicted of my selfishness and self-centeredness.  I read a commentary that discussed why we should desire to have bigger or more crowns.  It is to lay them at the feet of Jesus when we receive them.  Why are we so fixed on self and what we can get?  This is the uphill battle.  Not salvation.  I kind of went in circles on this post.  Sorry.  Forgive me Lord and change me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is why we look at the walk with Jesus as uphill.  Jesus did the work.  What we do means nothing relative to receiving the prize unless we are doing these &#8220;godly&#8221; things to obtain bigger crowns than our fellow believers.  As I was contemplating this I became convicted of my selfishness and self-centeredness.  I read a commentary that discussed why we should desire to have bigger or more crowns.  It is to lay them at the feet of Jesus when we receive them.  Why are we so fixed on self and what we can get?  This is the uphill battle.  Not salvation.  I kind of went in circles on this post.  Sorry.  Forgive me Lord and change me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilip</title>
		<link>http://www.arrowup.org/fear-suffering-and-the-christian-walk/uphill/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought-provoking. The key is whether we see the prize as worthy, don't you think?  May we have grace to see Christ as a Treasure, a Pearl of Great Price!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought-provoking. The key is whether we see the prize as worthy, don&#8217;t you think?  May we have grace to see Christ as a Treasure, a Pearl of Great Price!</p>
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